Post by aurabass on Aug 14, 2012 19:38:22 GMT -5
A Penn State message board member has given the "handles" and names of some of McQureary's friends who participated in various chats in 2004 or 5 to the Curley Schultz investigative team and they have spoken with the people and confirmed this information that gives us even more doubt about Attorney General Kelly's use of Mike McQueary as the most "Credible Witness"
Mike McQueary was made known to AG investigators in 2009 because of information posted on a message board that made it known he was the "eye or ear witness" to Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers in Feb of 2001. Remember the prosecution was insisting this was March of 2001 in the Presentment
Our source also confirmed John's story about how Joe contacted Mike and asked what it was they spoke about in this 2002 meeting he was being called to testify about in the Grand Jury in Jan of 2010. Joe had no memory of any detail of a discussion in 2002 so Mike told him about "a sexual nature" and "fondling" and that is exactly all Joe said about the conversation to the Grand Jury.
Few people know that the conversation with McQueary happened the day after Kenny Jackson informed Joe that he was leaving the staff for a job with the Steelers. Kenny was almost like a son to Joe, so Joe was already in somewhat of a shellshocked state when McQueary called him. Joe thought Mike was calling about getting Kenny's job and told McQueary that if it was about Kenny's job, he shouldn't bother coming over. Then McQueary told him it was something else, then arrived at Joe's house and told Joe about what he saw in the showers.
Remember that Joe is 75 in 2001 and 84 in 2010 so he is trying to recall a 10 minute meeting a decade in the past when he testifies before the Grand Jury. Joe and Mike are then both aware of several victims the Attorney General's staff is telling Mike have come forward so they want to help prosecutors any way they can. Joe at least is totally unaware that the Attorney General will be making this case about Penn State and the Football program because this 2002 event was well after Sandusky had left the employment of Penn state. Joe had no idea the Attorney General would make her blistering attack using this image and the words "He saw a boy being subjected to anal intercourse........ and told that to Joe Paterno, Tim Curley and Gary Schultz" with this as her backdrop
We also have confirmation that Mike was "guilt tripped" by the AG and made to believe his failure to observe Sandusky and confirm the "obvious sex act" led to the abuse of more victims. Once he enhanced his testimony to the Grand Jury he was trapped and "coerced" with threats to his father and Doctor Dranov. He could either be a valued State's witness or a target of the investigation with possible charges of obstruction, failure to report and/or perjury if he didn't present his story the way they wished.
The contents of the e-mail below and the verbal information provided has been confirmed by the source at CSI investigators and I was given permission to provide this information here and on the FRAMING PATERNO website from the help of my new contact and friend who sent this email.
Later over the telephone the source confirms that these friends who knew Mike were aware of Mike's situation as described above the email. That the stories/rumors about his talk with Joe prior to the Grand Jury and his feeling that PSU and Joe were not going to be the target initially was true. Once Mike got in too deep trying to be helpful to Kelly he ended up feeling trapped and coerced. SMSS has good off the record sources for this information and confirmation from the investigation that they are following up on this gives us confidence that there is a high likelihood this is essentially how it happened that Joe and PSU are in this situation today.
Someone in the chat room raised a question about Sandusky and rumors they had heard and that is what started the conversation in chat that led to Mike's statements about his 2001 locker room experience.
WHY THIS INFORMATION IS SO IMPORTANT TO SMSS and FRAMING PATERNO EFFORTS TO CLEAR JOE PATERNO and PENN STATE
1) This information from multiple participants in these 2004 - 2005 chats on a message board site confirm the SMSS information from multiple sources about how Mike was found by the Attorney General's investigators.
2) It helps to confirm our suspicion of why Mike testified to the Grand Jury as he did - "enhancing" his account in order to help the prosecution because he was made to feel guilty about later victims he might have "saved from abuse" by being more proactive and observant that night in 2001
3) It confirms why he was uncertain about the year and month - an odd thing if he actually observed a blatant sex act that upset him - when he should have associated that event with Kenny Jackson.
4) It lends substantial credence to the idea that once he testified under oath using "extremely sexual" he was trapped. He could be the State's hero whistle blower or he could be charged with Perjury, Failure to Report or obstruction if he tried to recant.and his father and Dr. Dranov were vulnerable as well.
5) He was told that Joe was not a target and that's why he worked with Joe feeding him the "a sexual nature" and "fondling" lines that Joe repeated verbatim as the only words from a 10 minuted meeting.
6) It gives us the reason for the various testimonies and contradictions as he tries to soften the impact on Joe and PSU while satisfying prosecutors to avoid prosecution himself.
7) It possibly informs us as to why Mike tried to testify to Freeh and why Freeh refused to take his testimony.
We can only hope that the Schultz & Curley investigators, the investigators for the Paterno's and for Ryan McCombie & the players can get access to transcripts of these "chats" and anyone who happened to save one would do a great service to Joe and PSU by providing it. Anyone who is aware of these chats and can confirm or deny this representation should get in touch with aurabass AT yahoo Dot com immediately so you can be put in touch with these investigators trying to clear Joe Tim and Gary, overturn the NCAA Sanctions, and discredit the Freeh Report.
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Mike McQueary was made known to AG investigators in 2009 because of information posted on a message board that made it known he was the "eye or ear witness" to Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers in Feb of 2001. Remember the prosecution was insisting this was March of 2001 in the Presentment
Our source also confirmed John's story about how Joe contacted Mike and asked what it was they spoke about in this 2002 meeting he was being called to testify about in the Grand Jury in Jan of 2010. Joe had no memory of any detail of a discussion in 2002 so Mike told him about "a sexual nature" and "fondling" and that is exactly all Joe said about the conversation to the Grand Jury.
Few people know that the conversation with McQueary happened the day after Kenny Jackson informed Joe that he was leaving the staff for a job with the Steelers. Kenny was almost like a son to Joe, so Joe was already in somewhat of a shellshocked state when McQueary called him. Joe thought Mike was calling about getting Kenny's job and told McQueary that if it was about Kenny's job, he shouldn't bother coming over. Then McQueary told him it was something else, then arrived at Joe's house and told Joe about what he saw in the showers.
Remember that Joe is 75 in 2001 and 84 in 2010 so he is trying to recall a 10 minute meeting a decade in the past when he testifies before the Grand Jury. Joe and Mike are then both aware of several victims the Attorney General's staff is telling Mike have come forward so they want to help prosecutors any way they can. Joe at least is totally unaware that the Attorney General will be making this case about Penn State and the Football program because this 2002 event was well after Sandusky had left the employment of Penn state. Joe had no idea the Attorney General would make her blistering attack using this image and the words "He saw a boy being subjected to anal intercourse........ and told that to Joe Paterno, Tim Curley and Gary Schultz" with this as her backdrop
We also have confirmation that Mike was "guilt tripped" by the AG and made to believe his failure to observe Sandusky and confirm the "obvious sex act" led to the abuse of more victims. Once he enhanced his testimony to the Grand Jury he was trapped and "coerced" with threats to his father and Doctor Dranov. He could either be a valued State's witness or a target of the investigation with possible charges of obstruction, failure to report and/or perjury if he didn't present his story the way they wished.
The contents of the e-mail below and the verbal information provided has been confirmed by the source at CSI investigators and I was given permission to provide this information here and on the FRAMING PATERNO website from the help of my new contact and friend who sent this email.
"To Aurabass
Thank you for all of your work in separating fact from fiction. I want to share with you what I have been involved doing. I pointed Curley & Schultz Investigators to statements from McQueary on the (name-redacted) messageboard chat. Mike told several members of the chat what he witnessed was only horseplay. Essentially below is how this has transpired. The time period he posted on the message board was mid-2000’s, before he met with investigators. Unfortunately chat records from what I am told are not saved but I pointed them to several individuals who were told by Mike and also told them to access Mikes PSU computer. Investigators have spoken with several individuals who witnessed Mike playing in at least two TSM golf events. Also, I've been told that Curley finds the Freeh Fiction laughable
1.There are no posts on message boards, everything was said in chat
2.Mike McQueary used to frequent the chat under the handle "xxxx"
3. His brother John is a member of the site and goes but the name "xxxxxx" He would go into the chat under the handle of "xxxxx"
4. To confirm it was actually Mike posting as "xxxx," his brother confirmed to several people and a moderator traced the IP address back to PSU.
5.Over the years, both Mike and John McQueary told posters with whom they became friends in chat the Sandusky story. Every person they spoke to said it was consistently described as "horseplay in the shower." That's why nobody ever took it any further. There was nothing sexual ever connected with it.
See my credibility below. It’s not a Freeh cut and paste job… ;)This has been made available to the CSI investigators where my contact works.
XXXXXXXXXX
CSI Corporate Security and Investigations
Mike's brother, John, goes by the name of xxxxxxx.
Mike came into chats under various names, but he entered mostly under the name xxxx.Hope this helps.
If I come across anything else I will let you know."
End quote of email
Later over the telephone the source confirms that these friends who knew Mike were aware of Mike's situation as described above the email. That the stories/rumors about his talk with Joe prior to the Grand Jury and his feeling that PSU and Joe were not going to be the target initially was true. Once Mike got in too deep trying to be helpful to Kelly he ended up feeling trapped and coerced. SMSS has good off the record sources for this information and confirmation from the investigation that they are following up on this gives us confidence that there is a high likelihood this is essentially how it happened that Joe and PSU are in this situation today.
Someone in the chat room raised a question about Sandusky and rumors they had heard and that is what started the conversation in chat that led to Mike's statements about his 2001 locker room experience.
WHY THIS INFORMATION IS SO IMPORTANT TO SMSS and FRAMING PATERNO EFFORTS TO CLEAR JOE PATERNO and PENN STATE
1) This information from multiple participants in these 2004 - 2005 chats on a message board site confirm the SMSS information from multiple sources about how Mike was found by the Attorney General's investigators.
2) It helps to confirm our suspicion of why Mike testified to the Grand Jury as he did - "enhancing" his account in order to help the prosecution because he was made to feel guilty about later victims he might have "saved from abuse" by being more proactive and observant that night in 2001
3) It confirms why he was uncertain about the year and month - an odd thing if he actually observed a blatant sex act that upset him - when he should have associated that event with Kenny Jackson.
4) It lends substantial credence to the idea that once he testified under oath using "extremely sexual" he was trapped. He could be the State's hero whistle blower or he could be charged with Perjury, Failure to Report or obstruction if he tried to recant.and his father and Dr. Dranov were vulnerable as well.
5) He was told that Joe was not a target and that's why he worked with Joe feeding him the "a sexual nature" and "fondling" lines that Joe repeated verbatim as the only words from a 10 minuted meeting.
6) It gives us the reason for the various testimonies and contradictions as he tries to soften the impact on Joe and PSU while satisfying prosecutors to avoid prosecution himself.
7) It possibly informs us as to why Mike tried to testify to Freeh and why Freeh refused to take his testimony.
We can only hope that the Schultz & Curley investigators, the investigators for the Paterno's and for Ryan McCombie & the players can get access to transcripts of these "chats" and anyone who happened to save one would do a great service to Joe and PSU by providing it. Anyone who is aware of these chats and can confirm or deny this representation should get in touch with aurabass AT yahoo Dot com immediately so you can be put in touch with these investigators trying to clear Joe Tim and Gary, overturn the NCAA Sanctions, and discredit the Freeh Report.
Want to help this effort to set the record straight ?
HOW YOU CAN HELP US CLEAR JOE PATERNO
Visit this LINK and Volunteer
